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	<title>Comments on: Aviation&#8217;s Favorite Blog Jetwhine Welcomes A Real Expert &#8230; Mr. Know It All</title>
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		<title>By: washington state election results</title>
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		<dc:creator>washington state election results</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rob, is it the Cessna 172?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rob, is it the Cessna 172?</p>
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		<title>By: John Steiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Steiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The T-41B was the second aircraft that I ever flew after getting my private pilot license in a C-150 while a member of the Ft. Lee Flying Club.  They had two T-41B aircraft, N31FL and N33FL and they we quite a jump from a C-150.  In fact when I finally did fly a C-172 it was such a comedown from the constant-speed prop and 210 HP T-41B</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The T-41B was the second aircraft that I ever flew after getting my private pilot license in a C-150 while a member of the Ft. Lee Flying Club.  They had two T-41B aircraft, N31FL and N33FL and they we quite a jump from a C-150.  In fact when I finally did fly a C-172 it was such a comedown from the constant-speed prop and 210 HP T-41B</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Shiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Shiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, one more thing. Officially, the only T-41 ever designated the Mescalero by the US military was the Army T-41B (goes with the other Army Indian-tribe names for aircraft).

However, we in the USAF unofficially adopted that name in lieu of any official USAF designation.

-Walt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more thing. Officially, the only T-41 ever designated the Mescalero by the US military was the Army T-41B (goes with the other Army Indian-tribe names for aircraft).</p>
<p>However, we in the USAF unofficially adopted that name in lieu of any official USAF designation.</p>
<p>-Walt</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Shiel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Shiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, looks like it&#039;s time to clear up several misconceptions about the US military&#039;s use of the ubiquitous Cessna 172.

There were essentially four models of the 172 purchases by the US military:

T-41A: 242 bought by USAF in 1964-70 (some were delivered to other countries under MAP). Delivered with 145 hp O-300-D engine

T-41B: 255 purchased by US Army in 1966-67 (some delivered to other countries under MAP). Its 210 hp IO-360D with constant speed prop makes it a snappy 172! Lots of other Army-specific mods that make it a very nice package and hardly a stock 172 of any kind (it&#039;s official Cessna nomenclature is R172E).

T-41C: 52 purchased by USAF strictly for use at the USAF Academy at mile-high Falcon Field. Used the 210 hp IO-360-D with a fixed pitch prop (later mod included a barometric-sensing mixture control for those high-alt takeoffs).

T-41D: 317 delivered by foreign air forces, although only 218 had USAF s/n assigned.

While a USAF pilot in ATC in a prior life, I flew the A, B and C models (flying the B was a ferry mission for the Army). I also was one of the original cadre of five USAF IPs who set up the Flight Screening Program at Hondo, TX, in 1973. When I left Hondo in 1976, I was the Chief of Standardization/Evaluation for the program.

I am also the author of &quot;Cessna Warbirds&quot;  and co-author of &quot;T-41 Mescalero&quot; .

-Walt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, looks like it&#8217;s time to clear up several misconceptions about the US military&#8217;s use of the ubiquitous Cessna 172.</p>
<p>There were essentially four models of the 172 purchases by the US military:</p>
<p>T-41A: 242 bought by USAF in 1964-70 (some were delivered to other countries under MAP). Delivered with 145 hp O-300-D engine</p>
<p>T-41B: 255 purchased by US Army in 1966-67 (some delivered to other countries under MAP). Its 210 hp IO-360D with constant speed prop makes it a snappy 172! Lots of other Army-specific mods that make it a very nice package and hardly a stock 172 of any kind (it&#8217;s official Cessna nomenclature is R172E).</p>
<p>T-41C: 52 purchased by USAF strictly for use at the USAF Academy at mile-high Falcon Field. Used the 210 hp IO-360-D with a fixed pitch prop (later mod included a barometric-sensing mixture control for those high-alt takeoffs).</p>
<p>T-41D: 317 delivered by foreign air forces, although only 218 had USAF s/n assigned.</p>
<p>While a USAF pilot in ATC in a prior life, I flew the A, B and C models (flying the B was a ferry mission for the Army). I also was one of the original cadre of five USAF IPs who set up the Flight Screening Program at Hondo, TX, in 1973. When I left Hondo in 1976, I was the Chief of Standardization/Evaluation for the program.</p>
<p>I am also the author of &#8220;Cessna Warbirds&#8221;  and co-author of &#8220;T-41 Mescalero&#8221; .</p>
<p>-Walt</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there&#039;s something I certainly didn&#039;t know. 

The Mescalero had a Skymaster engine in it? That&#039;s 210 HP I think.

That think woould go vertical with a single person I bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now there&#8217;s something I certainly didn&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>The Mescalero had a Skymaster engine in it? That&#8217;s 210 HP I think.</p>
<p>That think woould go vertical with a single person I bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy Cook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leroy Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was intrigued by your query about the Mescalero. 

That was Cessna&#039;s off-the-shelf trainer for the Army, the T-41B, which was a more-or-less stock R172 Reims Rocket, a 172 powered by a Skymaster&#039;s IO-360 Continental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was intrigued by your query about the Mescalero. </p>
<p>That was Cessna&#8217;s off-the-shelf trainer for the Army, the T-41B, which was a more-or-less stock R172 Reims Rocket, a 172 powered by a Skymaster&#8217;s IO-360 Continental.</p>
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		<title>By: Makovec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Makovec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-41, military trainer version of the Cessna 172</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So here&#039;s the deal you guys - generically of course - if one of you comes up with a really great blog question, Jetwhine will offer some really nifty prize that you can&#039;t live without.

And if you stump everyone, you win a free subscription to Jetwhine too. 

Now how&#039;s that for a deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So here&#8217;s the deal you guys &#8211; generically of course &#8211; if one of you comes up with a really great blog question, Jetwhine will offer some really nifty prize that you can&#8217;t live without.</p>
<p>And if you stump everyone, you win a free subscription to Jetwhine too. </p>
<p>Now how&#8217;s that for a deal?</p>
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		<title>By: John Mahany</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mahany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Rob, you&#039;re on! Will see if I can come up with anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Rob, you&#8217;re on! Will see if I can come up with anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, OK ... so you&#039;re all really smart.

How about if one of you give me a couple of quiz questions or two that everyone can&#039;t figure out with Google?

You know, the old fashioned way ... it&#039;s stored somewhere in your gray matter ...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK &#8230; so you&#8217;re all really smart.</p>
<p>How about if one of you give me a couple of quiz questions or two that everyone can&#8217;t figure out with Google?</p>
<p>You know, the old fashioned way &#8230; it&#8217;s stored somewhere in your gray matter &#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Turge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cessna t-41 trainer...(172)</description>
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		<title>By: Neace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Military Cessna 172 is also know as Mescalero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Military Cessna 172 is also know as Mescalero</p>
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		<title>By: DDcraner</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDcraner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You maybe already have a winner, but the Mescalero is a Cessna T-41</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You maybe already have a winner, but the Mescalero is a Cessna T-41</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Byers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Byers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the USAF version of the C-172 Skyhawk - used for UPT screening

PS  I cheated and used google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the USAF version of the C-172 Skyhawk &#8211; used for UPT screening</p>
<p>PS  I cheated and used google.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Mark:

The Mescalero is (was) the military version of the trusty C-172.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Mark:</p>
<p>The Mescalero is (was) the military version of the trusty C-172.</p>
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		<title>By: L1011 Jock</title>
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		<dc:creator>L1011 Jock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cessna T-41 Mescalero, a modified 60&#039;s vintage C-172 built to the specifications of the USAF for usea as a pilot screening and aeroclub airplane.  It had differing horspower depending on the model suffix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cessna T-41 Mescalero, a modified 60&#8242;s vintage C-172 built to the specifications of the USAF for usea as a pilot screening and aeroclub airplane.  It had differing horspower depending on the model suffix.</p>
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		<title>By: Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mescalero was/is a Cessna made for the Air Force.  Designation is T41.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mescalero was/is a Cessna made for the Air Force.  Designation is T41.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Yoder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Yoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cessna T-41 was also known as the Mescalero</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cessna T-41 was also known as the Mescalero</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Sandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Cessna T-41 was the Mescalero</description>
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		<title>By: Thierry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thierry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cessna T41A Mescaralo US Air Force basically a Cessna 172</description>
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