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	<title>Comments on: Broken Airliners Seldom Mean Happy Endings</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/01/broken-airliners-seldom-mean-happy-endings/#comment-25655</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely Rob, The speculation seems to have dried up now, even amongst company pilots. We are all waiting to see. It comes down to Fuel, Engine Icing (core) or electrical disturbance/malfunction in the end as the other factors seem to have been discounted after investigation. 

You would not have seen the crew on the podium giving a statement to the press if the preliminary  post accident investigation has produced ANY likely crew errors that could embarrass later. The boys were talking to the AAIB for five hours just after the event.

The consequences for the various parties (Boeing/Rolls Royce and others) could be 'pretty significant'.  

All personal opinions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Rob, The speculation seems to have dried up now, even amongst company pilots. We are all waiting to see. It comes down to Fuel, Engine Icing (core) or electrical disturbance/malfunction in the end as the other factors seem to have been discounted after investigation. </p>
<p>You would not have seen the crew on the podium giving a statement to the press if the preliminary  post accident investigation has produced ANY likely crew errors that could embarrass later. The boys were talking to the AAIB for five hours just after the event.</p>
<p>The consequences for the various parties (Boeing/Rolls Royce and others) could be &#8216;pretty significant&#8217;.  </p>
<p>All personal opinions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/01/broken-airliners-seldom-mean-happy-endings/#comment-25501</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very true and this is an important comment.

While they dig through the muck on this one, I think I was trying to say that at least no one was killed in this event.

As you well pointed out, watching that simulation of the C-5 crash some years back was unbelievable.

There wasn't a pilot among us who didn't start yelling, "Get some power in there," as the end of the runway climbed higher and higher in the windscreen.

But as on that one, we're going to have to wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very true and this is an important comment.</p>
<p>While they dig through the muck on this one, I think I was trying to say that at least no one was killed in this event.</p>
<p>As you well pointed out, watching that simulation of the C-5 crash some years back was unbelievable.</p>
<p>There wasn&#8217;t a pilot among us who didn&#8217;t start yelling, &#8220;Get some power in there,&#8221; as the end of the runway climbed higher and higher in the windscreen.</p>
<p>But as on that one, we&#8217;re going to have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: PatinNJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatinNJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 05:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's not coronate that crew yet.  It may have been them at fault for the situation to begin with.  Double engine failure at the end of a long flight?  Fuel issues have to be looked at.  Did they have enough? Was what they had in the right tanks?  Were the proper pumps running? Maybe it was the electronic engine controllers but if that was the preliminary indication, wouldn't they have grounded the fleet or issued an AD?

Just remember the C5 crash - their commander called the crew heroes, then it turned out that they made many errors almost insuring that the crash would happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not coronate that crew yet.  It may have been them at fault for the situation to begin with.  Double engine failure at the end of a long flight?  Fuel issues have to be looked at.  Did they have enough? Was what they had in the right tanks?  Were the proper pumps running? Maybe it was the electronic engine controllers but if that was the preliminary indication, wouldn&#8217;t they have grounded the fleet or issued an AD?</p>
<p>Just remember the C5 crash - their commander called the crew heroes, then it turned out that they made many errors almost insuring that the crash would happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/01/broken-airliners-seldom-mean-happy-endings/#comment-25117</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

The initial aftermath is through, the press are now reporting anything they can get their hands on and inventing what they can't. The poor jet is jacked up and under lights a couple of hundred meters from where she stopped sliding.
They were exceptionally lucky and we all know it at BA. Had those motors stopped running ten seconds before they did, the outcome would have been heartbreaking.

Let's wait for the AAIB's findings but whatever they are, they are likely to send shock waves through some section of the industry.

Happy trails...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>The initial aftermath is through, the press are now reporting anything they can get their hands on and inventing what they can&#8217;t. The poor jet is jacked up and under lights a couple of hundred meters from where she stopped sliding.<br />
They were exceptionally lucky and we all know it at BA. Had those motors stopped running ten seconds before they did, the outcome would have been heartbreaking.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s wait for the AAIB&#8217;s findings but whatever they are, they are likely to send shock waves through some section of the industry.</p>
<p>Happy trails&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Kettring</title>
		<link>http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/01/broken-airliners-seldom-mean-happy-endings/#comment-24954</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Kettring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucky, Lucky people, who were so fortunate to have such professionals to protect them.

However, even with those professional, some were seriously hurt.  My prayers go to them and their families while they deal with their injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucky, Lucky people, who were so fortunate to have such professionals to protect them.</p>
<p>However, even with those professional, some were seriously hurt.  My prayers go to them and their families while they deal with their injuries.</p>
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