Comments on: VLJ Training Means Thinking Differently; Survey 2 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/ Aviation buzz and bold opinion Sat, 17 May 2008 12:22:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bob Barnes http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29747 Bob Barnes Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:28:07 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29747 I just posted the following questions for comment by our International VLJ Training Stakeholders Discussion Group members: 1. Apart from a regulatory requirement, what are the VLJ air taxi operational issues and concerns that require a two-pilot crew? 2. Are these issues and concerns the same regardless of manufacturer? 3. If the VLJ is certified for single-pilot operation, what would need to be done to validate that it is acceptable for single-pilot air taxi operation? Perhaps some readers here would like to comment as well. I just posted the following questions for comment by our International VLJ Training Stakeholders Discussion Group members:

1. Apart from a regulatory requirement, what are the VLJ air taxi operational issues and concerns that require a two-pilot crew?

2. Are these issues and concerns the same regardless of manufacturer?

3. If the VLJ is certified for single-pilot operation, what would need to be done to validate that it is acceptable for single-pilot air taxi operation?

Perhaps some readers here would like to comment as well.

]]> By: Robert Mark http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29633 Robert Mark Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:23:01 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29633 I think this is great news Bob. I really think that when we start flying VLJs single pilot in Part 135 as we have for years in King Airs, the doors are really going to open. Rob I think this is great news Bob. I really think that when we start flying VLJs single pilot in Part 135 as we have for years in King Airs, the doors are really going to open.

Rob

]]> By: Bob Barnes http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29628 Bob Barnes Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:21:13 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-29628 I'm just back from a VLJ conference in London sponsored by the Royal Aeronautical Society. Vern Raburn (Eclipse CEO) challenged the audience to initiate a research project that would make it possible to fly VLJs as air taxi with a single pilot (current JARs require two pilots). Eclipse is willing to fund the study. What do you think about this? I’m just back from a VLJ conference in London sponsored by the Royal Aeronautical Society. Vern Raburn (Eclipse CEO) challenged the audience to initiate a research project that would make it possible to fly VLJs as air taxi with a single pilot (current JARs require two pilots). Eclipse is willing to fund the study.

What do you think about this?

]]> By: Robert Mark http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28382 Robert Mark Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:55:04 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28382 The IOE comparison is a good one Bill. And I think there is - and should be - a direct correlation, right up to the example of how much experience a mentor(IOE)pilot needs to be of value. Five thousand PIC turbine to sit right seat in a baby jet is probably a stretch which is one of the primary reasons the survey is out there. The discussion group is trying to gather some common sense guidelines before they are forced upon anyone. Right now it seems as if there is probably quite a bit of turf protecting going on. Rob The IOE comparison is a good one Bill. And I think there is - and should be - a direct correlation, right up to the example of how much experience a mentor(IOE)pilot needs to be of value.

Five thousand PIC turbine to sit right seat in a baby jet is probably a stretch which is one of the primary reasons the survey is out there.

The discussion group is trying to gather some common sense guidelines before they are forced upon anyone. Right now it seems as if there is probably quite a bit of turf protecting going on.

Rob

]]> By: Jeff martin http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28359 Jeff martin Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:17:15 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28359 Low time pilots in high performance jets. Sounds like Munson in a Citation. This definitely needs to be addressed sooner rather that later. Low time pilots in high performance jets. Sounds like Munson in a Citation. This definitely needs to be addressed sooner rather that later.

]]> By: Bill http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28356 Bill Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:07:07 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/03/vlj-training-means-thinking-differently-survey-2/#comment-28356 Rob, The survey indicated that the "mentor" program was uncharted territory. Perhaps for the Part 61 world, but the airlines have been doing this for many decades and have lots of experience and lessons to share. Airline OE instructors are trained, monitored, and must participate in regular instructor standardization sessions (meetings). They have specific subject matter to review during the OE period, and often have a specific number of tasks that must be accomplished successfully (depending on the aircraft and operator) - examples include: a minimum of 4 landings, 2 ocean crossings, an approach to SNA, or other operation specific goals. The experience and qualifications of the airline pilot receiving OE is somewhat known factor. The VLJ pilot will be from a very broad range and safety must NOT be jeopardized for the sake of expediency or convenience. Rob,
The survey indicated that the “mentor” program was uncharted territory. Perhaps for the Part 61 world, but the airlines have been doing this for many decades and have lots of experience and lessons to share.

Airline OE instructors are trained, monitored, and must participate in regular instructor standardization sessions (meetings). They have specific subject matter to review during the OE period, and often have a specific number of tasks that must be accomplished successfully (depending on the aircraft and operator) - examples include: a minimum of 4 landings, 2 ocean crossings, an approach to SNA, or other operation specific goals.
The experience and qualifications of the airline pilot receiving OE is somewhat known factor. The VLJ pilot will be from a very broad range and safety must NOT be jeopardized for the sake of expediency or convenience.

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