Comments on: John Carr Speaks to Drug Screening http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/ Aviation buzz and bold opinion Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:19:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Dale Kettring http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/comment-page-1/#comment-38857 Dale Kettring Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:39:57 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/#comment-38857 I'm really surprised that PASS seems to be the only organization putting out information, or raising an issue with this development. The way I read the information, this impacts all drug tested employees across the transportation industry. Anyone currently subject to drug/alcohol testing could have this applied to them if they have previously been in a drug/alcohol program. Not just federal employees. You might want to double check what I am seeing, but it would be worth your time to validate what I am seeing. I’m really surprised that PASS seems to be the only organization putting out information, or raising an issue with this development.

The way I read the information, this impacts all drug tested employees across the transportation industry. Anyone currently subject to drug/alcohol testing could have this applied to them if they have previously been in a drug/alcohol program. Not just federal employees.

You might want to double check what I am seeing, but it would be worth your time to validate what I am seeing.

]]> By: Hold it right there http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/comment-page-1/#comment-38852 Hold it right there Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:39:50 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/#comment-38852 Ms. Peters - I ask that you lead by example then, and BEND OVER, TOO! You have stooped to an all-time new low. Ms. Peters – I ask that you lead by example then, and BEND OVER, TOO! You have stooped to an all-time new low.

]]> By: Paul Cox http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/comment-page-1/#comment-38834 Paul Cox Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:43:26 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/#comment-38834 Debbie's right. I think a guy out here at ZSE actually grieved this and won; he showed that the "random" testing wasn't, because they always went to the big facilities on the weekends and the only time they went to the little facilities was weekdays. The reason is simple- on the weekends, a large facility will have more people working. The contractor who does the sample collection (or, as we call him, the Pee Police) charges a base rate to go out to a facility plus a per-sample-collected charge. If the FAA sends him to Podunk Tower on a weekend where there's two people on, they both get tested but the FAA pays a bunch per sample. If they send him to a big facility where there's 45 people on, he gets 25 samples and it's less on a per-sample charge. In any case... the new procedure makes sense IF someone is reasonbly suspected of tampering with their sample. If they aren't, it's an unreasonable invasion of privacy, in my opinion. Debbie’s right. I think a guy out here at ZSE actually grieved this and won; he showed that the “random” testing wasn’t, because they always went to the big facilities on the weekends and the only time they went to the little facilities was weekdays.

The reason is simple- on the weekends, a large facility will have more people working. The contractor who does the sample collection (or, as we call him, the Pee Police) charges a base rate to go out to a facility plus a per-sample-collected charge.

If the FAA sends him to Podunk Tower on a weekend where there’s two people on, they both get tested but the FAA pays a bunch per sample. If they send him to a big facility where there’s 45 people on, he gets 25 samples and it’s less on a per-sample charge.

In any case… the new procedure makes sense IF someone is reasonbly suspected of tampering with their sample. If they aren’t, it’s an unreasonable invasion of privacy, in my opinion.

]]> By: debbie http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/comment-page-1/#comment-38805 debbie Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:09:12 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/#comment-38805 When we switched to permanent days off a few years back I realized how "random" the drug screening is. They always come on the same day of the week. So if it is your day off, you never get tested and if you are working, you always get tested. So if someone did have a problem (and never in all my years with the FAA have I ever known someone) and they knew what days the drug testers came, they could pick days off when that would ensure they would never be tested. When we switched to permanent days off a few years back I realized how “random” the drug screening is. They always come on the same day of the week. So if it is your day off, you never get tested and if you are working, you always get tested. So if someone did have a problem (and never in all my years with the FAA have I ever known someone) and they knew what days the drug testers came, they could pick days off when that would ensure they would never be tested.

]]> By: John J. Tormey III, Esq. http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/comment-page-1/#comment-38804 John J. Tormey III, Esq. Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:02:25 +0000 http://www.jetwhine.com/2008/08/john-carr-speaks-to-drug-screening/#comment-38804 Thanks for the continued coverage Rob. Suggested responses already posted on The Main Bang are incorporated by reference herein. In short - Out the contractors making the misjudgment of doing the dirty work, as the sex offenders that they really are. Thanks for the continued coverage Rob. Suggested responses already posted on The Main Bang are incorporated by reference herein. In short – Out the contractors making the misjudgment of doing the dirty work, as the sex offenders that they really are.

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